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 Post subject: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:06 pm 
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Hi,

02/21/2013 close 9 pm I got banned for "whallhack", not "wallhack". Can I find out what's going on? I would like to ask for an explanation of this confusing situation. For that reason, that I do not use wallhack or other kind of that stuff. :S


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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:41 pm 
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viewtopic.php?f=37&t=7887

After consideration, and after several experienced players specking you and all saying the same, with more than one fP friends saying they have made records. As you can see, proofs have been provided, and unless one off the BigBosses decides otherway after checking the demo thoroughly, your ban will stick.

Not only the @19:35 but around 24:11, when you reach upstairs, right after spawn, you stop and wait for clonny to get out of upper room to shoot him. You just get there, stop moving after watching wall, and crouch waiting. For me, thats the most flagrant part. As such, not much more to say.

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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:26 am 
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First of all i can't see demo from link viewtopic.php?f=37&t=7887, i see only statement - "You are not authorised to read this forum".

Second - you all made mistake.

I play this game for 6 years, and gold rush is my favorite map. I know every inch there. I know by heart places where players from enemy team can stand.I can predict where players are, because I m specting teammates, when I m waiting to re spawn. I know the game well enough that I can hit by bushes. This is possible and I do not need to cheat. And I don't.

Give me access to the demo, please. I'd explain the rest.


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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:05 pm 
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True, sometimes we can use the respaw time, specing other players, learning enemy's position and try to make an use out of it. You know the maps well because you play for 6 years? Most of us plays ET almost from the getgo, and as such, so do we. That doesn't mean we'll go sprinting on and just suddenly stop after looking at a wall and waiting staring at the void with sight pointing at the farout sky for 4 seconds.

And i'm pretty glad we have such a tight community that stands for the servers rules and keeps an eye out for "strange" events.

Thats my humble opinion. But, i'll wait for the other admins to give their 2 cents.

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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:32 pm 
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MaesTro wrote:
That doesn't mean we'll go sprinting on and just suddenly stop after looking at a wall and waiting staring at the void with sight pointing at the farout sky for 4 seconds.


I don't understand this sentence. If ur talking about moment before someone give me wrongly ban, I remember that on the stairs was another teammate who obscured the view shot or stood behind me, next to me, and maybe I could not move.
At this point, the top of the stairs to the balcony is a bug similar to the radar map when you jump out of the main gate on the ledge.
Or maybe I was just scratching an itchy nose? Show me demo please.

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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:28 pm 
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I would like to know if you already made ​​the decision for unban.

I did not get the opportunity to see the demo.

I do not know why.

The only thing that could even confuse you, it's audio settings. I can hear the other players moving very clearly.

Ban is incomprehensible to me. I am innocent.

Yours faithfully


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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:34 pm 
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I asked myself, what can I write to people who have committed shameful mistake. Especially when they know about it and can not admit it.

Only one, bad karma always comes back...


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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:43 am 
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Do you still have no balls to admit a gaffe? I heard from other players, witch better skill than me, that they have been banned, same like me, for no reason. You are funny fellows.


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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:31 pm 
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Hi STEINER,

I'm not sure what the whole story is or was, but I can tell you that coming to our forum, mocking us and our decisions isn't really helpful to your case m8. I couldn't care less what other more or less skilled players then you say about us. But please have some respect and common sense when coming to ask for an unban.

I'm positive every ban is not taken lightly and no admin bans unless they are 100% sure they are right. Of course we as admins are also human and as such can make mistakes, so in your case a mistake might have happened - I don't know as I don't know the story.

However consider being more polite next time you expect someone to do something for you, instead of opening your statement and ending it with a mock.

Let's wait for the admin who banned you to decide what he/she will do.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:10 pm 
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Hello STEINER,

the ban was taken by me ... I will get into it, but do not have to great hopes to lift it.

Later Ernie


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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:52 pm 
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Thanks for your responses.

I see now that my post is not even close to a request. But I have in my memory and what you can see in posts up, how you treated me. I couldn't see the demo, and I had not even one word from you about why.

I'm sorry if I offended someone. It was not my intention. I wanted just to provoke a conversation about the injustice that happened to me.

I will be grateful for your re-examination of equity the ban.

Thanks for your time.

Cheers

Steiner


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:52 pm 
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Let's review the thread then shall we and see if your claims can be supported in any manner what so ever.

Not in one post has any one shamed or in any way insulted you. As Maestro said the demo was reviewed by several players and members + as was said, several regulars made demos of you, which clearly indicates that your game-play aroused suspicion with more then 1 player. Yes granted the demo was posted in an internal part of the forum and you clearly had no access to see the demo, however that's a luxury, not your right, so the fact that you couldn't see the demo doesn't mean anything really. This isn't a court-room mate. This is our community, our server, our rules, our admins and finally our decisions. I am not saying they're all 100% perfect, but they are ours and we stand behind them.

On the other hand, you came to us with the attitude:

PL][STEINER wrote:
I asked myself, what can I write to people who have committed shameful mistake. Especially when they know about it and can not admit it.

Only one, bad karma always comes back...


PL][STEINER wrote:
Do you still have no balls to admit a gaffe? I heard from other players, witch better skill than me, that they have been banned, same like me, for no reason. You are funny fellows.


I am glad you consider us funny fellows (althou we all know that's not what you meant), but coming here accusing us of making shameful mistakes, being wrong and knowing it, having no balls, not admitting to a gaffe etc. Well it's a bit silly to say the least.

Good luck with your un-ban appeal, there's just two problems with it that might end with a negative result for you.

1.) Your attitude.
2.) The link with the demo expired so there's no more demo to REVIEW AGAIN, but since we did that 1 year ago and decided upon it, I don't see anything changing in that manner even if the demo was still available.

Greets

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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:49 am 
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I think it was me, mstr, rat/merc, forsaken who watched you at the time. I remember your nick being written with all caps and black and map was railgun. And i'm the only one active now out of those three players, so that brings more problems to this case. And Merc, mstr, forsaken are hardly noobies. They all have a long history of ET. Like me, forsaken/zenon has also played in EC and against many top level ET teams.

It should be easy to find this demo, If you record demos with autorecord on that is. You said it happened on 02/21/2013 9 pm. I'm willing to give it another judgement if you can find it.


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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:53 am 
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I recorded a demo of you on another server some year ago. The situation went like this:
1. You spawned as ally in cp on fueldump
2. You strafed (very good strafge, btw) to the main gate
3. At this point you turned to both garage and upper/down fuel dump respawns. You watched those spawns through the wall, moreover you didn't check any VISIBLE angles. I hope you ain't gonna be convincing me that good players do that.
4. I submited the demo to an admin there and he told me that they had a shortage of players anyways so he'd rather let you play:)

Oops...


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:30 pm 
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BinaryStar wrote:
Let's review the thread then shall we and see if your claims can be supported in any manner what so ever.

Not in one post has any one shamed or in any way insulted you. As Maestro said the demo was reviewed by several players and members + as was said, several regulars made demos of you, which clearly indicates that your game-play aroused suspicion with more then 1 player. Yes granted the demo was posted in an internal part of the forum and you clearly had no access to see the demo, however that's a luxury, not your right, so the fact that you couldn't see the demo doesn't mean anything really. This isn't a court-room mate. This is our community, our server, our rules, our admins and finally our decisions. I am not saying they're all 100% perfect, but they are ours and we stand behind them.

On the other hand, you came to us with the attitude:

PL][STEINER wrote:
I asked myself, what can I write to people who have committed shameful mistake. Especially when they know about it and can not admit it.

Only one, bad karma always comes back...


PL][STEINER wrote:
Do you still have no balls to admit a gaffe? I heard from other players, witch better skill than me, that they have been banned, same like me, for no reason. You are funny fellows.


I am glad you consider us funny fellows (althou we all know that's not what you meant), but coming here accusing us of making shameful mistakes, being wrong and knowing it, having no balls, not admitting to a gaffe etc. Well it's a bit silly to say the least.

Good luck with your un-ban appeal, there's just two problems with it that might end with a negative result for you.

1.) Your attitude.
2.) The link with the demo expired so there's no more demo to REVIEW AGAIN, but since we did that 1 year ago and decided upon it, I don't see anything changing in that manner even if the demo was still available.

Greets

binary


Again thanks for your responses.

To be clear, its not important to me, to play again on the server. I just want you to know AGAIN that you made a mistake and I cant agree with that. I now see that if you play with a Polish tag you're a suspect. Embarrassing. I played with similar tag with team "Grf" with CAPS letters too, So it was not an attempt to draw attention to me. It would be silly if I would cheated, do not you think?. I've never cheated in this game and I'm not going to change it. Anyone who plays a couple of years in this game, knows re-spawn times, knows places where players are hiding, and even the time in which they appear in those places after re-spawns. I do not play this game, wondering how it looks like for people who recording demo. You were wrong with your inspecting results. I play for fun, most of the time. Saying about my attitude - is suitable for the situation.


Siru wrote:
I think it was me, mstr, rat/merc, forsaken who watched you at the time. I remember your nick being written with all caps and black and map was railgun. And i'm the only one active now out of those three players, so that brings more problems to this case. And Merc, mstr, forsaken are hardly noobies. They all have a long history of ET. Like me, forsaken/zenon has also played in EC and against many top level ET teams.

It should be easy to find this demo, If you record demos with autorecord on that is. You said it happened on 02/21/2013 9 pm. I'm willing to give it another judgement if you can find it.


I do not have the demo. I never thought that I will need it. But thanks for good intentions.

ethereal wrote:
I recorded a demo of you on another server some year ago. The situation went like this:
1. You spawned as ally in cp on fueldump
2. You strafed (very good strafge, btw) to the main gate
3. At this point you turned to both garage and upper/down fuel dump respawns. You watched those spawns through the wall, moreover you didn't check any VISIBLE angles. I hope you ain't gonna be convincing me that good players do that.
4. I submited the demo to an admin there and he told me that they had a shortage of players anyways so he'd rather let you play:)

Oops...


Share a link to this demo please, if you still have it, I will gladly watch it and explain situation. I cant get the clue your allegation. But notice that if you knew the re-spawn time. Admins not to change it for long time, and when you can hear re-spawn, playing with draw gun 0 you follow them, because its fast to aim them when you will see them. This is my style of play.

Regards

Steiner


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 Post subject: Re: why baned? o_O
PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 5:43 pm 
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PL][STEINER wrote:
Again thanks for your responses.



You're welcome.

PL][STEINER wrote:
I now see that if you play with a Polish tag you're a suspect. Embarrassing.


Where in the hell did you get the idea of your Polish tag having anything to do with your situation with the ban?

PL][STEINER wrote:
To be clear, its not important to me, to play again on the server. I just want you to know AGAIN that you made a mistake and I cant agree with that.


Good you have informed us of both things, now can you please move along?

I am locking this thread as it is serving no purpose what so ever.

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